EXPLAINER: CORONAVIRUS TRACING APP TO LAUNCH ON THURSDAY – HERE’S EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW

How the app looks – this is the introduction screen that will greet users

Islanders are being encouraged to support the nation by being part of the next phase of the Government’s Test & Trace Programme by downloading a brand new contact tracing app, which is to launch exclusively for the Isle of Wight on Thursday.

Every household on the Isle of Wight will receive a letter over the next week explaining further details about the app and how to download it. Letters will be sent out between Thursday and Monday.

In the meantime, the app will be launched for NHS and Council staff from 16:00 on Tuesday afternoon.

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The aim is for as many Islanders as possible to download the mobile app with an ideal target of 50% of the population – around 70,000 people. The hope is that Islanders will fully engage with this important step in the battle against coronavirus, helping to keep people safe and develop the app, therefore helping the country as a whole.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock has outlined the plans for the Isle of Wight in today’s Downing Street Press Conference. Addressing Island residents directly, he said:

“Please, download the app to protect the NHS and save lives. By downloading the app you are protecting your own health, protecting the health of your loved ones and the health of your community.

“I know the people of the Isle of Wight will embrace this with enthusiasm”.

Once the app has been downloaded to your mobile phone, you will be asked to submit the first part of your postcode (i.e. PO33) and enable both your phone’s low-energy Bluetooth and push notifications. The app runs in the background so does not need to be open all the time.

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Details on other devices (people) you’ve come into contact with, how long for and at what distance is stored locally on your own device. Rather importantly, each device is given a random ID – the data cannot be used to identify any specific individual and no other data is stored. Bluetooth is used to communicate with other phones nearby and it won’t drain your battery.

If you later develop symptoms of coronavirus and go on to tell NHSX this information, the past 28 days of locally-stored, non-traceable data will be uploaded to the NHS’s servers after completing a step-by-step process. The app will ask you: do you have a high temperature, do you have a new and continuous cough and the date the symptoms started. Users who are deemed likely of having COVID-19 are then given a reference number and a telephone number to call to request a swab test.

Swab tests will be delivered directly to Isle of Wight households by local drivers and collected the next day. These tests should arrive within 24 hours of the request and will be sent off to labs for analysis.

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Using complex algorithms, the NHSX system will determine which app users should be notified of contact with a potential coronavirus carrier. Not all people who have come into contact with the symptomatic individual will be notified, just those considered to be at risk (based on distance and time – meaningful contact). The app will not register those who simply pass in the street. It has been confirmed that the notifications will not be issued in a real-time, but instead in batches every 4-6 hours.

Island Echo has been speaking to those involved in the app’s rollout and a series of vital questions have now been answered below. Island Echo readers will see advertisements promoting the app download over the next 10 days.

FAQs

Will the lockdown restrictions be lifted on the Island earlier than elsewhere?

No. The Isle of Wight continues to follow the national guidelines on lockdown and social distancing. The Prime Minister is due to provide an update on the restrictions on Sunday.

What about older residents on the Isle of Wight who don’t have a smartphone?

Not everyone owns a smartphone, but support will be in place for those that do to enable them to successfully download the contact tracing app. This will be delivered through existing groups and helpline, as well as on a dedicated website. For those without a smartphone, they will not be able to use the app but will still benefit from others downloading and using it within society.

The app is aimed at those who are out and about in the community, coming into contact with others.

Mobile phone signal in my area is very poor, will this have an adverse effect on the app?

No. The app uses Bluetooth technology to communicate with other devices and is therefore not reliant on having a mobile or WiFi signal. When a user is submitting data to the NHS then a communications signal is required.

How long am I expected to use the app for?

Islanders are being asked to download the app and continue to use it for the duration of the pandemic. There is no specific trial period. It is hoped the Isle of Wight will be a vanguard for the nation.

Will the app drain my phone’s battery?

NHSX say that the app using low-energy Bluetooth and therefore should not drain the user’s mobile phone battery.

Who can download the app?

Anyone can download the app once it goes live. However, the data upload will only work for those living on the Isle of Wight. Mainland residents are being urged to keep the app if they do download it and they will be notified when it becomes available in their area. Only those with an Isle of Wight address will be able to book a swab test.

Islanders are reminded to download the app on their mobile phone – not on an iPad, laptop or desktop device. The URL contained within the letter should be typed into a mobile phone browser.

I work in a clinical environment, will this affect my app’s performance?

Medical workers using the app will be asked to turn off their Bluetooth when they put on their PPE. Look out for a specific page of information within the app itself.

Can the app be misused?

Unfortunately, malicious users cannot be prevented entirely. Experts have worked on the wording of the app to encourage positive use.

I use an iPhone – will this communicate with Android devices?

Yes. Apple phones will communicate with Android devices – something historically unheard of.

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Mark
Mark
1 year ago

This is all very well, but………. if you work in the hospital and you happen to have your phone on you and a patient comes to you, and your phone throws up a warning that the person has had or is carrying the virus, what then???? I can see see most of the staff at the hospital being told to go home if that happens. Looks like the option of turning off bluetooth to prevent the warning going off, is quite frankly ridiculous.

Carla
Carla
Reply to  Mark
1 year ago

If the bluetooth is turned off, the phone will not register you have been in contact with the other person.

worried
worried
1 year ago

Just hearing about this on the radio news now. They have just said there will be no lifting of the lockdown restrictions and no easing of any of that yet, the only difference is that now some people will be using this app. I won’t be as do not have a smartphone but it doesn’t sound as though it will endanger people as much as initially feared. I think many of us thought that for the app to be operational it would mean they would raise the lockdown and make everything back to normal here, so the virus would spread like wildfire, but apparently that is not the case. they just want us to go on the same we have been doing, the only difference being some will be using the app. I’m not sure if it is a good idea to use it down here though, as not enough… Read more »

Harry Wad
Harry Wad
Reply to  worried
1 year ago

Whilst they won’t be lifting lock down restriction now, they will do so here first. Hence they will trial the app, check how many have it now, THEN ease restrictions on lock down, and THEN count up how many extra have it, to SEE if mainland hospitals can cope with the added increase of hospital admissions.

WHY else would it be used at all?

A means to an end.

It will do nothing to save our lives, but may well risk them IF they end lock down here first BECAUSE we can easily be counted as we have stupidly downloaded the app.

Not for me

Lawrence
Lawrence
Reply to  Harry Wad
1 year ago

It’s an extra tool Matt Hancock made clear yesterday there would be no early restriction here. The UK would move forward together.

Harry Wad
Harry Wad
Reply to  Lawrence
1 year ago

If we are not then used to end lockdown first then fine. Still can’t see much use in it though. As we need a test to show not only if we have the virus, BUT if we have ever had it, then we would know we were immune until it mutates. As it is, if the test comes back negative, then we could very well be infected soon afterwards, giving a false sense of security making having the app more a danger if feeling safe means we drop our guard. Still so long as we are NOT used to end lockdown before others then likely just a novelty for people to play with and useless but harmless. The REAL data I want is the admission to death rates on OTHER hospitals in the UK. The data on how many who do survive are then left with life changing damage, as… Read more »

worried
worried
Reply to  Harry Wad
1 year ago

Harry, I agree.

Poppy1
Poppy1
Reply to  Harry Wad
1 year ago

Alryt mr knw it all lol

Bob Frapples
Bob Frapples
1 year ago

Whatever the government tell you think the opposite that way you get the truth

Chipper
Chipper
Reply to  Bob Frapples
1 year ago

How childish, Bob Frapples!

Rin Tin Tin Tin
Rin Tin Tin Tin
Reply to  Bob Frapples
1 year ago

No Bob, go and watch every bonkers conspiracy theorist out there, then for good measure, have a good read of what the armchair specialists are saying on FaceBook. Then of course read all the papers, watch Sky News and the BBC News. Finally, tune into the crystal clear and accurate advice given at the daily briefings by the government. Then stop and think about your own paranoia and how it may end up killing you or others. Seriously, take the official advice, trust in the information and stay alive. In a year or twos time you can revive your suspicion and paranoia in a quiet corner of the internet and let all the normal people get on with our lives as before.

John Trotman
John Trotman
Reply to  Bob Frapples
1 year ago

Absurd. Contrarian politics as a general operating principle is a dead end. By all means exercise judgement (I would hope we all do) but please don’t turn your brain off with this kind of pronouncement, Bob.

none given
none given
Reply to  John Trotman
1 year ago

no john – bob is closer to the truth.

When you hear a government deny that they are going to do something, it usually means they will be or are already doing it.

Bob Frapples
Bob Frapples
Reply to  Bob Frapples
1 year ago

Wind them up and watch them go

Black rat
Black rat
Reply to  Bob Frapples
1 year ago

Or just make a stupid comment like yours and watch the negative responses, IDIOT!

Ian Hefford
Ian Hefford
1 year ago

Here’s an idea for all the sceptics. If you do not have a phone with a working APP then your movements remain restricted and get a big fine if you are out. This will prevent the majority being harmed by your stupidity.

If you actually read the details, the app does not track your location. It does not need to. Everyone commenting on here probably use google maps and or Facebook. Have a look in “facebook/settings/Off Facebook activity”. It is enabled by default and logs far more of your data then this app does.

Cool Breeze
Cool Breeze
Reply to  Ian Hefford
1 year ago

To add to Ian comments, there are many more things that track your activity, if you pay for things with debit or credit card, the bank and shops know what you buy and where you buy it, if you browse on line, the ISP can see what you are looking at, if you make a mobile call whilst out and about your mobile provider knows where you are.

none given
none given
Reply to  Cool Breeze
1 year ago

@cool

but the government doesn’t know where you are and they need a court order to access private commercial data about you. This app sends that location data direct to government servers – which allows the state to completely bypass any legal requirement to access your actual location data. Remember – this app can indicate who you are talking to in your own front room. If you think it cannot – you are mistaken.

Daemy
Daemy
Reply to  none given
1 year ago

Oh dear none, you’re either ignorant, or deliberately deluded. Either way, please keep it to yourself, so the rest of us have a better chance of getting over this safety

The app doesn’t know your location (doesn’t have access to your GPS), or who you’re talking to. It only has access to your Bluetooth & Only connects to gov server if you tell the app you have covid symptoms, & then just uploads the codes of the phones (people) you’ve been in contact with. Those phones are then alerted that they’ve been in contact with someone who may have it.

It’s not rocket science to understand

none given
none given
Reply to  Daemy
1 year ago

daemy – clearly you have no understanding whatsoever – judging by that ill informed post

Jock
Jock
Reply to  none given
1 year ago

Every other app on your phone could do that you moron! All the apps sell your data to other apps. If they wanted to they could pin point your exact location and trace you. Stop being such an idiot. Maybe learn about things befire you go slurring on the Internet.

Dave Eames
Dave Eames
Reply to  Ian Hefford
1 year ago

What if you don’t own a mobile phone is that not discrimination

Gurt
Gurt
Reply to  Dave Eames
1 year ago

You’ll get a tracker implanted up your backside.

Moron.

gussy
gussy
1 year ago

its council & nhs who can download it before Thursday, as he said

Red
Red
1 year ago

If you have a NHS number, a national insurance number, use a credit/ bank card, use social media, ever filled in a questionnaire, filled a form out…. just about anything you can think of that has required info about you has already been stored. This is the digital world we all live in now. I’m no lover of having government/ or anyone come to that telling me what to do, but I’m no nurse, nor am I any front line staff. So if I can help in any shape or manner, I will. I, and many others that do this can be proud we did or bit. Even if it’s a complete failure, we still tried, while other didn’t. No one is being forced to do this, so if you don’t want to do it simple answer is don’t.. but stop trying to brainwash others not to do it either.… Read more »

Steve
Steve
1 year ago

ill download it but if it starts to go tits up with cons and such ill get rid of it
and ill only use my old phone so if it does go tits up ill just destroy it and go back to my phone that i use.
i think its worth a go if it helps

Ray
Ray
Reply to  Steve
1 year ago

Some people don’t want to help, people are dieing all around us. I’m all right comes to mind.Ray

Ditzy dotty
Ditzy dotty
1 year ago

A poll had been taken on the IOW and 76% of residents say they will download it. Thank god for those sensible people.

none given
none given
Reply to  Ditzy dotty
1 year ago

76% of how many ditzy – what was the total number in the poll – as they certainly didn’t ask all 140,000 island residents.

e.g 16 out of 21 people equates to 76%

we also need to know the composition of the poll participants – were they primarily health care workers – the selected groups preferences can easily skew a set of results.

JPFD
JPFD
1 year ago

The government has chosen to centralise the data obtained by the app in spite of suggestions that this could make it unreliable. Other countries have used a less privacy sensitive approach. The UK government has prioritised control of data over reliability and involved GCHQ in its development. One must remember that Johnson, Gove and Cummings were complicit in the illegal garnering of Facebook and other data during the Brexit referendum and this was used to target individuals with fake information to persuade them in a particular direction. Adolf Hitler observed that you could get away with anything if you told people it was for the good of the children. Now we are being told that it is for the good of the NHS. Maybe it is, but just remember this government have form in the misuse of data.

Red
Red
Reply to  JPFD
1 year ago

To do something, must be better that putting your head in a bucket of sand and doing nothing.

Treesa
Treesa
Reply to  JPFD
1 year ago

Very true, JPFD.

Old bean
Old bean
1 year ago

I not a government person at all but on this occasion they need us to get rid of this horrible virus so think islanders should download app and save lives

Shanklin Steve
Shanklin Steve
1 year ago

Just concerned that it’s being launched on Thursday but they will not start sending letters out until Thursday and each letter will contain a random ID. I would have thought the letters should have been sent out/delivered by Thursday!
I will be taking part but just find the launch bit a little strange.

Smithy
Smithy
Reply to  Shanklin Steve
1 year ago

Well just don’t download until you get and read letter! There’s no time limit.

Shanklin Steve
Shanklin Steve
Reply to  Smithy
1 year ago

That such a good idea, why didn’t I think of that!

Rog
Rog
1 year ago

It hasn’t worked on the island of Singapore as only 20% of the population took it up.
If you are an activist or criminal and fearful of the security services don’t download the app and switch off wifi and the location finder on your phone when out.

John Trotman
John Trotman
Reply to  Rog
1 year ago

Criminals presumably know already that the police have the capability to track movement through phones. I hope that the general population does not get paranoid about this and therefore torpedo this important health initiative before it gets going. We on the island have a responsibility to the rest of the country to help to make this work for the common good.

David
David
Reply to  Rog
1 year ago

If you are one of the above mentioned groups then you wouldn’t use a smartphone anyway as they can be tracked regardless.

Golly
Golly
1 year ago

Leaving your Bluetooth on all the time drains your battery so quick! I’m not downloading it.

Soldier of fortune
Soldier of fortune
Reply to  Golly
1 year ago

You ought to read the article before you make a comment.

Golly
Golly
Reply to  Soldier of fortune
1 year ago

So should you! Because they only say it should not! They not saying it will not! So you read it before saying stupid comments!

David Icke
David Icke
Reply to  Golly
1 year ago

But YOU are positive that it will drain the battery……is that all you have to worry about?

Rin Tin Tin Tin
Rin Tin Tin Tin
Reply to  Golly
1 year ago

My Bluetooth is on 24/7 with no real battery issues. Maybe you have a crap phone?

Golly
Golly
Reply to  Rin Tin Tin Tin
1 year ago

Google leaving your Bluetooth on all the time! They say it’s bad for battery and hackers to access your phone!!

Rin Tin Tin Tin
Rin Tin Tin Tin
Reply to  Golly
1 year ago

Yep, I googled it back in the early part of this century when I first had a phone. Since then, I’ve owned a good many phones. Trust me, your battery will be fine. What intrigues me is that you seem to be putting your battery health above yours and that of others here. Perhaps you need to see your doctor for some help……

Golly
Golly
Reply to  Rin Tin Tin Tin
1 year ago

Hahaha shut up!

John Trotman
John Trotman
Reply to  Golly
1 year ago

For goodness sake. Try to be helpful!

Bob
Bob
Reply to  Golly
1 year ago

Well charge your phone more – for goodness sake!!!!

Richard collins
Richard collins
Reply to  Golly
1 year ago

@Golly. It uses Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE) and the Bluetooth beacon functionality. This uses very little energy.

none given
none given
1 year ago

from HSJ website, part of wilmington healthcare dated 4th May 2020 -website for healthcare leaders. The app is being trialled on the Isle of Wight this week, ahead of a national rollout later this month. Senior NHS sources told HSJ it had thus far failed all of the tests required for inclusion in the app library, including cyber security, performance and clinical safety. There are also concerns at high levels about how users’ privacy will be protected once they log that they have coronavirus symptoms, and become “traceable”, and how this information will be used. Senior figures told HSJ that it had been hard to assess the app because the government was “going about it in a kind of a hamfisted way. They haven’t got clear versions, so it’s been impossible to get fixed code base from them for NHS Digital to test. They keep changing it all over the… Read more »

Ditzy dotty
Ditzy dotty
Reply to  none given
1 year ago

No one is listening to you, a poll on the IOW has shown that 80% of the Island population will use the app. I for one would like to say thank you to every one of you who download it, together we will do our bit and be proud to be residents of the Isle of Wight looking out for each other.

none given
none given
Reply to  Ditzy dotty
1 year ago

ditzy – you have changed your percentage from 76% to 80% – in two different posts –

The suggestion that 76% or 80% depending on which of your posts you read, will download the app is an assumption – the poll, which you have not referenced or provided any details of, did not ask all 140,000 islanders and as such cannot claim to have that percentage of all islanders agreeing.

how many were in the poll, run by whom and what demographic were chosen – were they random, was it a cross section, where are the stats which make up this poll result.

David
David
Reply to  none given
1 year ago

If you don’t want to use the app then don’t, stop showing off with how much you “know” or how much “they” say and get a life.

Smithy
Smithy
Reply to  David
1 year ago

Well said David!

none given
none given
Reply to  David
1 year ago

david – i wish to know the criteria used for the poll and the routes taken by those running it, to reach the conclusions they did.

unlike others, I do not blindly accept what is being said to me- I verify and fact check

Maggi Stewart
Maggi Stewart
Reply to  none given
1 year ago

Didn’t ask any islanders or have I missed something

Smithy
Smithy
Reply to  Maggi Stewart
1 year ago

Why ask? It’s voluntary.

Maggi
Maggi
Reply to  Ditzy dotty
1 year ago

What poll

Jill
Jill
Reply to  Ditzy dotty
1 year ago

It’s 75%, with only a mere 3000 people taking part!

none given
none given
Reply to  Jill
1 year ago

thanks jill – so 2280 people said they would download it.

That is 1.5% of the population of the island that have stated they will download it. A far cry from the 80% alluded to by ditzy.

only another 141,000 people to ask and then a true picture will emerge.

David
David
Reply to  none given
1 year ago

And?

Cool Breeze
Cool Breeze
1 year ago

The app does not track your location, it searches for other app users and logs the data securely on your own phone and is only accessed when you give your permission (normally at the point where you have been confirmed as having the virus and are worrying if you or you family are going to make it through) so why not let everyone else that you have inadvertently come into contact with know that they could be at risk.

The one chance that us Islanders get to make a real difference in a GLOBAL pandemic, and all we can do is find reasons to moan.

This weekend is VE day, so many people gave their lives so as we can live, so why not give up a little bit of battery and anonymity (if it comes to it) so that the WORLD may live.

Gurt
Gurt
Reply to  Cool Breeze
1 year ago

The best comment I have read in the comments section since visiting this site.

Bob
Bob
Reply to  Cool Breeze
1 year ago

Excellent comment!!!!

Black rat
Black rat
Reply to  Cool Breeze
1 year ago

Bloody well put Cool Breeze and not meaning it as a pun but you are a breath of fresh air to those with any common sense on this matter. Stay safe.

Tina allen
Tina allen
Reply to  Cool Breeze
1 year ago

Well said. It’s the least we can do for the world. Not much to ask really is it? And as for those worried about their privacy. How much of your private lives do you post on FB Instagram Twitter etc. Think about it.

Smithy
Smithy
1 year ago

Prat

West wighter
West wighter
1 year ago

What’s the problem?
Download the app what harm can it do?
Unless you have something to hide !!!!!!!

CHRIS
CHRIS
1 year ago

I see my comment was taken down, but that’s how they role lol

Golly
Golly
Reply to  CHRIS
1 year ago

Always taking my comments down too!!

Warren Mason
Warren Mason
Reply to  Golly
1 year ago

Its seams to me, if you don’t follow the sheep and have a different vue, you’re comment is taken down. So much for free speech

Jim Bob
Jim Bob
Reply to  Warren Mason
1 year ago

View

Jim Bob
Jim Bob
Reply to  Warren Mason
1 year ago

Your. NOT you’re.

Golly
Golly
Reply to  Warren Mason
1 year ago

Island echo told me that it’s down to them what they put up! Don’t get freedom of speech on here mate!

Smithy
Smithy
Reply to  Warren Mason
1 year ago

Seems

David Icke
David Icke
Reply to  Golly
1 year ago

I wonder why?

David Nelson
David Nelson
1 year ago

Reading some of the comments about not downloading the app, it occurred to me it’s such a shame covid 19 doesn’t only affect idiots!

Bulldog
Bulldog
1 year ago

Can’t see the problem with privacy,will live on the Isle of Wight some nosey git knows where you’ve been who with and what time you got home,no app needed

Jay
Jay
Reply to  Bulldog
1 year ago

No, it is more a case of the Isle of Wight has a small, ill equipped hospital, but also have more than most elderly on Wight, so, once we all have the app up and running, THEN they will end lock down, and IF the small hospital can cope with all the increased dying, then we can be SURE they will be able to cope in larger communities with the ending of lockdown where hospitals are larger and they have less elderly per population.

I shan’t be downloading it, for to me, it is just a sly prelude to ending lockdown on Wight first, not yet, but soon, to test the death rates.

No one
No one
Reply to  Jay
1 year ago

Agree Jay. The guinea pigs should be hot spots. Not data accumulated that will be manipulated for government figures. Poor Bet Mr B Seeley is no where near the Island right now

Joanne Newnham
Joanne Newnham
Reply to  Jay
1 year ago

For an ill equipped hospital they haven’t done a bad job in keeping losses low

Maggi Stewart
Maggi Stewart
Reply to  Jay
1 year ago

Jay
It’s hardly Ill
Equipped far from it

Furlow Frank
Furlow Frank
Reply to  Maggi Stewart
1 year ago

With more dying than leaving, hardly inspires confidence if it were YOUR loved one taken in.

I wonder how St Mary’s compares with OTHER UK hospitals????

Gerry
Gerry
Reply to  Jay
1 year ago

I agree with you Jay in that I believe the Government after a few weeks of this app experiment will start to lift the lockdown on the IoW first before the mainland to see what happens .They will probably suggest that the elderly and people with underlying health conditions still stay in lockdown which will mean we won’t even be able to exercise or shop because everyone else will have stopped social distancing.Saying that I will still be downloading the app as we have to have a strategy of some sort to move forward.

Bilbo
Bilbo
1 year ago

I would take up English lessons first

Bilbo
Bilbo
Reply to  Bilbo
1 year ago

I’m a little dim!

Jude jim
Jude jim
1 year ago

If you download this you are a lab rat aswell as a sheep.
Hope you all feell great being traced by a app sounds like freedom to me hahahahah .
I will not be taking part and you shoukd not either.

Golly
Golly
Reply to  Jude jim
1 year ago

Well said!

David Icke
David Icke
Reply to  Jude jim
1 year ago

Bet you aren’t married or have any friends you care about. Probably a Billy no mates.

Martin
Martin
1 year ago

We don’t give a monkeys about privacy, battery life, hacking ( we’re not in one place long enough to be hacked and in any case we’re on android 9) blah bla blah. We just want to know if we’re going to die…..

Bushcat
Bushcat
1 year ago

Well half our neighbor’s are retired. The other half work in the “Grey” economy or work and claim.25% of workers are furloughed.So can you imagine anyone downloading this app?If they do imagine the amount of summons for interview at the jobcentre when it opens up?After they have been tracing the non working peoples movements?

Bushcat
Bushcat
1 year ago

direct qoute today in the guardian ”It should not be possible to identify individuals from the data sent to the centralised system, Gould noted. “We have said very clearly that data will only be used for public health purposes. It will not be used for law enforcement.”

Terry
Terry
Reply to  Bushcat
1 year ago

But can it be changed in the future is more the point, …

Bushcat
Bushcat
1 year ago

Are you aware GCHQ were recently given full access to all NHS computer systems for security purposes?Like 2 months ago? What the hell do you think they will do with this treasure trove of information? I tell you,run modelling programs on pattern of life and contacts,just like in Afghanistan.Then roll it out across the whole U.K.

Bushcat
Bushcat
1 year ago

No way im downloading it.Think about the abuse.Governments never give up powers gained.That is an absoloute lesson of human history.Never happens.

Jay
Jay
Reply to  Bushcat
1 year ago

All those council tax and benefit swindlers who are living with someone, YET claiming to live a single life to claim more tax credits, rent and council tax subsistence will never download this, for the risk to them, despite the Gov telling us otherwise is not worth it for cheats, for no gain.

Too many low life swindlers here for this ever to work effectively as the Island is full of such.

How many times do we see Government data hacked? Trust in ANYTHING HMG does is sadly lost by the younger generation.

Luckily we have many elderly, who will fall over themselves to do anything to please, so we may get enough for the trial to succeed, but as most old don’t mingle much, can’t see this being much use at all.

Bushcat
Bushcat
1 year ago

part of wilmington healthcare dated 4th May 2020 -website for healthcare leaders.

The app is being trialled on the Isle of Wight this week, ahead of a national rollout later this month. Senior NHS sources told HSJ it had thus far failed all of the tests required for inclusion in the app library, including cyber security, performance and clinical safety.

There are also concerns at high levels about how users’ privacy will be protected once they log that they have coronavirus symptoms, and become “traceable”, and how this information will be used.

Senior figures told HSJ that it had been hard to assess the app because the government was “going about it in a kind of a hamfisted way. They haven’t got clear versions, so it’s been impossible to get fixed code base from them for NHS Digital to test. They keep changing it all over the place”.

Bushcat
Bushcat
Reply to  Bushcat
1 year ago

As can see I have no life, and nothing better to do!
Also I have no friends at all.

No one
No one
Reply to  Bushcat
1 year ago

We’re all masters of data information right now. With no friends and contact zero. We are not alone. That’s why so many folk talk out their backsides. Maybe soon we will actually have something truthful. And to smile about.

RealWorld
RealWorld
Reply to  Bushcat
1 year ago

It’s called being informed instead of just blindly following that presented to you.

Bushcat
Bushcat
1 year ago

Are you aware GCHQ were recently given full access to all NHS computer systems for security purposes?Like 2 months ago? What the hell do you think they will do with this treasure trove of information? I tell you,run modelling programs on pattern of life and contacts,just like in Afghanistan.Then roll it out across the whole U.K.

David Nelson
David Nelson
Reply to  Bushcat
1 year ago

Are you a complete numpty?
This is about saving lives not your Internet history!
GCHQ don’t care how much time you spend on xhampster, they know already.
Intelligence services are best placed to track phones because its part of their job
If you don’t want the app far enough take your chances on who you come into contact with.

Donna
Donna
Reply to  David Nelson
1 year ago

The app wont warn you in advance to avoid ppl.
It just alerts you that you were in contact with someone who has since tested positive. You are still taking your chances with who you come into contact with.
Ppl seem to think this app is designed to somehow protect us from. Infection. That’s not the case at all. It’s all about tracing the spread not preventing it. You may isolate when app alerts you to a past contact with a positive tested person I guess.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  David Nelson
1 year ago

whats xhampster?????????

none given
none given
Reply to  David Nelson
1 year ago

Tut tut david nelson – i guess everyone knows what sites you visit now

CHRIS
CHRIS
1 year ago

to the editor , freedom of speech is important

Bushcat
Bushcat
Reply to  CHRIS
1 year ago

Its true we cant have a mature conversation.But this comments section has no registration or moderation.
It is wide open for abuse.

Inbred iowter
Inbred iowter
Reply to  Bushcat
1 year ago

Anyone seen my cows

Jim Bob
Jim Bob
Reply to  CHRIS
1 year ago

To the editor, freedom of speech is important.

Golly
Golly
Reply to  CHRIS
1 year ago

Not on here it’s not

Bushcat
Bushcat
1 year ago

Wow that was quick.The big boys are messing with reply’s and comments.
slow clap.

Jim Bob
Jim Bob
Reply to  Bushcat
1 year ago

Replies not reply’s

Bushcat
Bushcat
1 year ago

This is what happens in real life when you give up your hard won civil and democratic rights.
This is happening right now.

Mr justice
Mr justice
1 year ago

Fox news article, what is China’s SOCIAL CREDIT SYSTEM. Read it cause it’s coming.

West Wighter
West Wighter
Reply to  Mr justice
1 year ago

Why don’t you all Shut the Fxxx up.
Spend your time helping others instead!!

Bobby tupper
Bobby tupper
Reply to  West Wighter
1 year ago

Why the xxck should we they wouldn’t help us, selfish gits

mr justice
mr justice
Reply to  Bobby tupper
1 year ago

Knowledge is power, the more you know, the better the out come. It’s your choice.

mr justice
mr justice
Reply to  West Wighter
1 year ago

I thought helping highlight a massive problem coming our way, that will effect everyone, was helping? It’s certainly bigger and will change your life more then this virus. Well,I hope your app on your phone helps you all. Oh, and try and use less foul language, it really shows your lack of intelligence and understanding. All the best.

none given
none given
Reply to  mr justice
1 year ago

sadly mr justice, I fear you are wasting your time…

People do not like to think. If one thinks, one must reach conclusions. Conclusions are not always pleasant.”
― Helen Keller

Mr justice
Mr justice
Reply to  none given
1 year ago

I fear you are correct none given. The head in the sand approach seems to be the order of the day, even when presented with facts not fiction, still the head is in the sand. I suppose the old saying is,you can lead a horse to water,but you cant make him drink, is very apt I think. So like you my friend, I shall watch with interest, and the little devil part inside me cant wait to say, I told you so 🙂

none given
none given
Reply to  Mr justice
1 year ago

yes mr justice – a little bit of historical research unveils the path taken by governments to have reached this point. By taking the history and then looking at the present day activities in countries like china, we can extrapolate and then overlay the narratives and actions employed by them onto the edges of our own present day, to give clarity to a map of the future. Whilst it is unlikely to be a carbon copy of china, it will still have the same underpins and objectives, although just dressed up nicely to fit the democratic society rather than the authoritarian one. and i agree – about ha told you so!! an example of our own progress – years ago, you applied for a paper driving licence through dvla and no one, apart from them, knew who you were. Even the police had to contact them directly for more information,… Read more »

mr justice
mr justice
Reply to  none given
1 year ago

Well said none given sir, all again facts , with a little logical thinking about ,dirty cash, but even a blind man can see cash is about to be history. So it’s sit back now and wait till, I told you so. Very sad.

RealWorld
RealWorld
Reply to  West Wighter
1 year ago

For the same reason you won’t wise up??

It’s called being informed instead of just blindly following that presented to you.

Mr justice
Mr justice
Reply to  RealWorld
1 year ago

Research my friend research

Natan
Natan
1 year ago

The comments saying we shouldn’t use the app or it’s a pr stunt make me ashamed to live on the Isle of Wight. It’s just an app and even if the government were able to see your location, which they can’t, they should only be able to see you at your house, on walk, or at a supermarket so if you’re that worried about location tracking you’ve got other things going on. As well as this, what is a little battery to potentially save you or the other people you have come in contact with. People are saying I’ll use another phone just in case they take information from me or I get hacked well, for one the NHS is not trying to steal your data they already have it and for two all they can hack is your postcode how on earth would they use that without any other… Read more »

Charles Moore
Charles Moore
1 year ago

What about people with Windows smartphones?

Tim C
Tim C
Reply to  Charles Moore
1 year ago

A bit of windolene should do the trick.

Joe Bloggs
Joe Bloggs
1 year ago

Though I don’t normally want to have anything to do with the EU, in this case we should be working alongside them. Why the hell are we using a different system to the rest of Europe? Most people have google or apple apps on their phones as standard so it would make sense for the government to use these systems rather than a home made one.

Islander too
Islander too
1 year ago

All the fuss over this app.

Big brother has been watching our every move for years. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence must know that.
There’s things in outer space that can listen to our conversations from across the world and pan down into our gardens.
It’s called modern technology.

There’s people dying out there and others who are going to lose their jobs and businesses and maybe their homes.

Does anyone really want to live like this forever because certain people are natural trouble makers and scaremongers.

The hackers are already out there I’ve had my debit card cloned twice and I still don’t know where or how.

As for the government, if you’ve got nothing to hide. What’s the problem?

Like my dear old mum used to say.

“If your not prepared to help when help is needed you should keep your nose out and your gob shut.”

Smithy
Smithy
Reply to  Islander too
1 year ago

Very well said

Andy
Andy
1 year ago

not the first time isle of wight has been used as testing grounds, look back at history books

Red
Red
1 year ago

To do something, however small is better than doing nothing at all.
I’m not a front line person, but want to help so I will do my bit.
This it’s just a small thing, but could have a massive effect on beating this virus.
If your not going to help by not downloading it, up to you. But don’t keep trying to stop others from doing so.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

mr justice
mr justice
Reply to  Red
1 year ago

Don’t think anyone is trying to stop people from downloading and using this app? It’s only people’s opinion, and may we all be able to use our opinion today, because each day your free speech is being taken away. So please bare that in mind. Hope the app works well for everyone.

Red
Red
Reply to  mr justice
1 year ago

This its why it failed in Singapore. Some 20% signed up for it only. When asked why some didn’t do it, it came back that they had been too scared to after reading such comments.
I can just see UK newspaper head lines in a week or so, basically mocking us for failing.

mr justice
mr justice
Reply to  Red
1 year ago

Maybe people in Singapore have a bit more understanding of all this, and of course the media and powers to be would say, because of people’s opinion ,it’s scared others Into not using this app. Oh please, what your saying is, people here must be so weak minded ,that an opinion from a no body will affect their lives. What a low opinion you have of people here on the island.

Furlow Frank
Furlow Frank
Reply to  Red
1 year ago

Better to be a mocked headline on a daily rag, than have your loved ones name carved in stone on an untimely grave.

We ONLY have one life, to risk it to save others was tried in the war, and now the young mock the crippled, disfigured and mentally broken who risked theirs, survived, but in what state?

So long as this is NEVER used to end lock down here earlier than elsewhere then less added risk. However I fear that will be the case.

Even if not, so we get informed we have mixed with a know victim, then get a test, but if it comes back negative then we have a false sense of security, yet we could catch it or even have it from other contacts. Only good for the moment we are tested.

Red
Red
Reply to  Furlow Frank
1 year ago

. Remark removed by myself.
Not disrespecting my late wife to bitch with others.

Smithy
Smithy
Reply to  Furlow Frank
1 year ago

All our key workers are risking their lives to save others aren’t they? They aren’t as selfish as you must be. Think of your family and loved ones

Island resident
Island resident
Reply to  Red
1 year ago

Noone is telling anyone not to download the app, it’s just someones opinion but it seems to me from what I’ve been reading that if you have the opinion of not wanting to download this app then your instantly a selfish nasty person? It’s a choice, if people do not want to download it then so be it, but at the same time if you do want to download it then that’s fine aswell.
Everyone is allowed to have there own opinion and is equally allowed to believe what they want.

Richard collins
Richard collins
1 year ago

The experts says “Yes. Apple phones will communicate with Android devices – something historically unheard of.”

This is not in the slightest bit true. iPhones and Android phones have ALWAYS been able to exchange data via Classic Bluetooth and Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE).

They are using Bluetooth beacons. It’s easy basic stuff but I bet they have charged the NHS millions. I’ve been a software developer for 25+ years, this is easy basic stuff. Database + php backend + web end points + phone app. This is bread and butter for most developers.

subby human
subby human
Reply to  Richard collins
1 year ago

maybe that’s all the app is for, an excuse for some to make millions from the NHS ….

Roger
Roger
1 year ago

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Bec
Bec
1 year ago

I have never been more amazed. It doesn’t track your location, it pings off nearby phones using bluthooth. And to be honest, does it really matter if it does? If I get the virus and stop and talk to your loved one, not knowing I was going to contract the virus, wouldn’t you like to know before they have to be admitted to hospital and have a ventilator used on them? And the battery life of phones. If you actually use power saving Bluetooth it won’t be a problem. And if you don’t because you don’t know how or your phone doesn’t have the option, just charge your phone more. Most of us are only going out for exercise and shopping and if your working away from home you wouldn’t be using your phone anyway. And even if your phone runs out of battery, it doesn’t take long to bring… Read more »

subby human
subby human
Reply to  Bec
1 year ago

how is your app going to know you have the virus if you do not know ?.

Don't tell him pike.
Don't tell him pike.
1 year ago

Not a chance .

Mrs brown
Mrs brown
1 year ago

Blah blah blah… if only the majority of the iow really knew how sheepish they are…it’s a shame really as only a few are willing to research the truth! Gullible or what! ID 2020 look it up for yourself and your loved ones! That’s the real virus = government! FACT!

subby human
subby human
1 year ago

is g4s or some group getting paid millions for the app development whether it works or not as that’s most likely reason for the app as it is too superficial…. If one person had 2 phones in the same pocket the phones would give different results. You have seen the state of people so someone will enter spurious info onto their phone which will cause the app to tell others to isolate and the one who entered the spurious data will swan (or rook) around without isolating., as the person is not identified…Our brains are too dull to see clearly as we have been misfed information which causes us to think it is ok to eat meat….and ingest other poisons….

Tom
Tom
1 year ago

Do you even have electrickery on the island ?

Amy Austin
Amy Austin
1 year ago

i cant see how iow radio can say 80% agree – 80% of what. Listeners to iow radio! I believe the company providing this is an american one – Palantir although i have got this from the web and who knows. Hopefully it will help but is it down to who makes a good few bucks.. This is i’m afraid what happens in times of stress.

oldie but alive
oldie but alive
1 year ago

To app or not to app, that is the question. My partner and i are both front line workers, my other half can not use the app as phone has NO bluetooth. We have already isolated once but were not allowed to be tested so we do not know if we had the virus or not. The only way to find out who has or who hasn’t got the virus is to test everyone. Testing and repeat testing is the only way to stop this virus spreading……. an app will not stop it as it relies on everyone having the app and then telling it you may have it, and that could be 2 to 5 days after you have come into contact with someone with the virus. So the virus will be spread even if you have the app.

Jock
Jock
1 year ago

Wait so they never even acknowledge the island at all and now they say we’re going to lead the nation! They think we don’t deserve an opinion when this is a country of so called democracy. We are just their little Guinea pigs umder a microscope. We should come together as an island and have a vote, that way more people would know and support the app without it being thrown upon us.

 

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