The Government has this morning (Sunday) confirmed the NHSX coronavirus contact tracing app WILL go live on the Isle of Wight for a period of testing next week.
Owing to the isolated and controllable nature of the Island, it is going to be used as a testbed for the new mobile app before it is rolled out nationwide in 2-3 weeks’ time – should the test prove successful.
The news was rumoured several days ago, as previously reported by Island Echo, but it was Transport secretary Grant Shapps that confirmed the fact to Sky News earlier this morning. Further information is expected to be announced by the Health Secretary Matt Hancock tomorrow.
Bluetooth technology is the key to the app’s success and will register contact when individuals come within 6ft of one another for at least 15 minutes. If a user develops symptoms they can inform the NHS, triggering an alert to be sent to other users they have come into contact with.
Users will be asked to hand over some personal details such as a partial postcode, age and gender, but others won’t receive this information. Users will remain anonymous up to the point where they volunteer their own details, and there will be no database that allows the de-anonymisation of users.
Island Echo understands the app will go live from mid-week onwards. Keep an eye on Island Echo for further information.
Around 50-60% of the country will be required to download the app for it to be effective. It is a vital part of the Government’s track and trace strategy to combat the coronavirus and prevent a second wave.
Council leader Dave Stewart has said:
“I am very pleased we can be the first place to use this new digital technology in the country.
“The app, which supports the wider programme of contact tracing by Public Health England, really does give us the opportunity to get ahead of the virus.
“People who have been in contact with symptomatic individuals will be identified much earlier than is currently the case and they will be provided with advice so they can act appropriately to protect themselves and our community.
“The opportunity to be part of this initial roll-out and lead the way for the rest of the nation is consistent with the council’s prime objective of securing the best possible protection for our whole community from Covid-19.
“I really do think this is an amazing opportunity for the Isle of Wight and one I know residents will join with me in embracing.”
Michael Gove said earlier this week that the Isle of Wight could see the lockdown restrictions lifted before anywhere else.
Use the App, that’s fine, just don’t use the Island as a pilot for relaxing the rules before doing the maths between the Island and the rest of the UK !!
So true can only relax rules if proven, as an island ,it is not being transferred between us. Otherwise relax and,it returns.
social distancing will be lifted soon then, based on the European Union contact and tracing techncial report, second update, dated 8th april 2020..
excerpt..
For countries that have had enforced strict physical distancing measures for a period of time in order to attempt to interrupt the chain of transmission of the virus, case finding measures, including contact tracing, are a priority once the physical distancing measures are lifted, in order to reduce the risk of further escalation. During lockdown periods, countries should aim to review existing public health systems to determine the optimal implementation and timing of reinforced contact tracing measures.
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google this document if you wish to read it…
Contact tracing: public health management of persons, including healthcare workers, having had contact with COVID-19 cases in the European Union – second update
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as said before – governments are using this crisis to get their spyware apps up and running – never let a good crisis go to waste at governmental level.
The uk have the spy agency GCHQ helping build the NHS app – tells you all you need to know
Utter crap ..
Another conspiracy theory is it !!!
Accept it and get on with it so we can all return to normal.
These aren’t conspiracy theories, as an expert in computer science this app could pose a potential security risk to the security of the country. If the app was to become widely used then it makes it a large target for groups seeking to cause trouble. No app is completely flawless in its security. This app is a good way in theory to ensure a de-escalation of the crisis however it has several issues such as what I have mentioned which need to be considered before rolling it out.
Wight Lives Matter
you think the its just the app for it to work really well…
In South Korea, contact tracing has been complimented by CCTV, credit card data and interviews, alongside extensive testing, with police and health authorities permitted to obtain location data from telecommunication companies if an individual refuses to willingly hand over this information.
In China, an app was used to assign users a traffic light code which dictated how much freedom of movement they were permitted. It’s still unclear how exactly this risk score was calculated, but it pulled in data about proximity to confirmed coronavirus cases and viral hotpots. This information was shared with the police, who could use it to enforce quarantine
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if the app doesn’t work well enough on its own, then what is it good at – recording your movements around town and uploading them to the government servers.
I wont be downloading the app nor participating in this trial at all noone can make you download an app and the population of the isle of wight should of been bloody well asked before they just went ahead and used our island as a lab rat.
So called democracy.
Well arnt you a great help to the greater cause, go and climb back under your rock!
How about you actually see it as it is we are being used as a testing ground trials always have a element of failure and in this case the failure is death I sincerely hope none of your family or friends or anyones in fact die for a trial
It is going well in Australia, and one group with Island connections help make it happen there….let’s do this! I am in!
Stupid selfish attitude
well said islander – it is an infringement of your right to anonymity by having some complete strangers phone tracking your location and sending it to a central database – talk about government surveillance.
For your information the minute you turn your phone on you are tracked as to your phones wherabouts, its used all the time to find mispers ( missing persons ) its called triangulation. It is not an infringeent of your rights as you only hand over information that you want to and nothing to do with surveillance as that comes under a seperate set of laws, you are getting paranoid. Stay safe.
@black rat – yes, that much is obvious, however, it does not disclose personable information and only works by using phone masts that you “ping”. This is much more intrusive and tracks you step by step along the street.
it is a spying tool in mass testing in a live environment, with the virus as the excuse.
@black rat……
absolutely right
@none given….
all of that info is contained in your phone account, and probably more including your bank for DD….if they want your info, they have it just your to naive to believe they would and have got access to it
captain or is bond these days.
the state cannot at present look at your data from your phone provider without a court order to justify the reason. The snoopers charter doesn’t give them carte blanche to demand personal data from your ISP or phone provider with out the correct process taking place
are you really that ill informed.
this nhs app, transmits your data direct to government servers, which enables them to see exactly where you are and who you are without having to go through the current legal channels.
shame you are naive enough to believe that, they can look at what they want when they want…period
You are talking utter crap .. go move to London.
@mike
clearly you have no idea, hence the insulting post, that is lacking in a coherent response.
Utter rubbish Islander. There is no requirement to take part.
you dont have to use it so how is a voluntary app an infringement of anything
I sure as hell won’t be either. And I sure as hell won’t be getting a ‘vaccine’ for that matter. Anyone who believes all this nonsense is an idiot.
well said ken – another person with some sense, rather than blindly doing what they are told by the government, that deep down, doesn’t care two hoots about them.
Well said, they are fast tracking the vaccine and it’s not being tested properly, the ‘placebo’ they are using is the Meningitis vaccine which has a history of being very unsafe. With at least 3 deaths and thousands of adverse reactions.
Islander, were you asked about the Budget, Pensions, taxation, etc etc… Idiot.
Well stay indoors and live on fresh air forever then as that’s the way it will be if we don’t find a way out of this lockdown and don’t think benefits and pensions will be paid as no economy means no money for no one
Not sure what they think they will achieve as everyone will continue to self isolate as the islanders generally have done and will probably continue to do after any lockdown restrictions are eased, we should not be daft enough to accept being experimented with by a government clutching at straws!
Can you please back up this with data showing that most islanders have been doing this as all I’ve seen is majority out on the roads running, shopping everyday, or just driving for a jolly out. That is not isolating and there has never been a lockdown.
we don’t live in a city, its not like you have to dodge people on your daily walk to the co op now is it cliff. We are in no sense over crowded on the island and can live out our day to day life without usually meeting anyone so to be honest the whole things seems like a load of waffle, there should be a different set of rules as we are in a completely different place, there are no tower blocks with a thousand familys living on top of each other, over here theres just fresh air and long walks, get a grip everyone and no I don’t agree with us being used as a test only for the reason that we have a completely different set of circumstances to those on the mainland so even if it all went ok here, that wouldn’t be a good enough reason to lift the restrictions in other areas like the mainland that are overcrowded which will obviously increase the risk of spreading it. not a scientist just making an observation.
Your all stupid, Totally agree, Personally I think this is just a seed to gain people’s acceptance of being tagged
*you’re
Just get a old second phone then when the spp is no longer needed destroy the old phone and revert back to your own phone
That way your not tagged any more
I’ll be ditching my mobile phone if this becomes mandatory.
Well I will not be able to use the app unless they produce a Windows ten mobile version which is very doubtful and I certainly would not buy another phone just to be involved in the trial though I fully support the concept!
it wont
Do you have an I-Phone? I need a spare one, so you can send your phone to me. Thanks 🙂
Your all stupid? It’s *you’re*
You’ve seen a majority?
Of 110k population you’re saying you’ve seen about 70k to 90k of them out on the roads having a jolly?
I take it you aren’t the brains behind the math of the app then?? Hilarious.
Is it possible you’ve just seen a few out and about complying with the rules and without knowing what they are out for???
Yes Alex your correct of course……..stay in bed for the remainder of your life.
“You’re” ……..once is a typo…..twice? Perhaps not a sheep, possibly stupid.
Take a moment and think; when the history of this is written how do you want the Island to be remembered, someone has to be first and we are in a unique position in the UK, easily isolated, so the data is much more accurate, but quick assistance can be delivered if needed. Go beyond the ‘someone else do it first’ mindset, follow the selfless people and we can all help even in this little way. Privacy is essential but there is less of that every day regardless of this app.
Well said, I hope that everyone on the Island participates, listen to the details of how it will work before you dismiss it. Don’t listen to the scaremongering which goes on this site.
Yes lets all participate. we can all die heroes!
Yay !
I love electronic intelligence. It’s way more lovely than the entire essence and history of the majestic solar address of the Isle of Wight. I’m quite certain all the true Humans who dwell there wouldn’t even acknowledge such rubbish. Ok. Please. Oh yeah. I have a good idea. Let’s digitally track each other because I’m so concerned for my safety over freedom. You choose safety over freedom, then take a longer lockdown vacation and hopefully you awaken before you expire.
Peace to all loving, gentle, and wide eyed opened beings.
I totally agree we have to do something to help let’s all get involved it’s designed to help
You seem to be intent on insulting the mentality of Service personnel…..you are obviously a spineless gobshite.
So you’d be okay for the island being remembered as a pioneer in developing a tracing app then?
Yes there is less privacy every day, helped hugely by people who publish their lives online through sites such as Facebook and the like.
That doesn’t mean people with brains should be encouraging that loss of privacy with state backed apps.
Support the NHS and the Government in trying everything to beat this virus. I would encourage everyone else to do likewise. The country should all pull together.
do you know the link to join?
@anne …. it is available online, if you google it its quite clear
Phil, it’s a pity the government has for years run the NHS down, today their heroes and I know that in this country there’s nothing forgotten quicker then yesterday’s heroes.
Give a thumbs down by all means because ironically you will be clapping me Thursday
@dismus – get some facts before lying about the nhs being run down
Expenditure on the NHS has risen substantially since it was established on 5th July 1948. In the first full year of its operation, the Government spent around £11.4 billion in today’s prices on health in the UK. In 2018/19, the figure was over ten times that amount at £152.9 billion. Growth in health expenditure has far outpaced the rise in both GDP and total public expenditure: each increased by a factor of around 4.8 over this period. The average annual expenditure increase since 1958/59 is 3.9%. However, between 2000/01 and 2004/05 average annual spending growth was 8.7% which is higher than at any other time in the history of the NHS.
taken from the NHS funding and expenditure briefing paper dated 17th January 2019 as recorded in the house of commons library and available online.
I assumed Dismus was talking about this Conservative government which effectively started with Cameron in 2010 and continued with May.
In the first 70 years of the NHS, the average annual budget rise was 3.7%. However, between 2009/10 and 2018/19, the average funding growth each year was just 1.5%. Hence massive rise in average wait for A&E and elective operations to the extent that waiting time penalties were abolished because Trusts were in such financial dire straits.
Easily forgotten now because of the current crisis. I agree with Dismus and hope that the NHS and its staff gets the funding it and they deserve over the next decade.
@stay at home
no, the increases in waiting times is because of the endless and pointless things people clog up the nhs with. Not to mention the unnecessary things they waste money on.
The NHS is not underfunded, it is poorly managed.
How will this work if you live at home with your family as you are close to them a lot of the time? Would the app be biased in the sense showing people near each other a lot when in fact they are just sat on the sofa next to their mum?!
That doesn’t matter? It’s just for contact tracing. So if one of your family gets symptoms, the rest of your family who you’ve been sat on the sofa with will get a text. But you’ll already have known they need to isolate. So it’s a moot point. It’s not to moan at people for being close to others. It’s to inform those who now need to isolate as they’ve been in contact with you.
Fine for you living in Alverstone, all nice and safe, but many live in the hotspot of death areas and our phones will be pinging ever other pace. Will make going out like the following the footsteps of the town drunk, if we try to avoid those at risk of carrying the deadly virus.
Confused, No is the answer, the app. is back door linked to the authorities that control it (yes scary)
Let’s start on the Isle of Wight where probably half the population don’t even know what an App is!!
You’d be surprised.
Not all over 60’s are technophobes you know. ‘Probably Half of the Islands population’ is a very sweeping statement.
I worked on the Nectsr app campaign on the island. The majority I spoke to, not only the elderly but also young mums weren’t interested in downloading apps for several reasons; not suitable phones, not enough room on their phones,don’t like using apps or they didn’t have smart phones. I have family and friends who don’t use apps on their smart phones including FB and WhatsApp.
That’s funny.
Whilst I like the amount of cynicism
and distrust for authority in some of the views expressed here, I really can’t see any harm in giving this a go. You’ve got to look at the intention here, it’s a way of controlling this killer virus better, not us……they got that sewn up already.
Kate, no….let’s start on the island where most people are subservient (Sadly)
Poor comment. It means anything else you express on here will be deemed stupid.
Totally agree! Half the population won’t have right sort of phone and if they do half of those won’t have it switched on!!
This is a way forward, get behind it and make it work! It’s for everyone’s benefit. Don’t be Debbie downer at the first hurdle.
Absolutely all for this. The NIMBY complainants should see reason and accept we are in the unique position to assist the whole of UK in banishing this virus once and for all.
It is an app not an instruction to leave your home and spread the virus.
it won’t be banished bill – the virus is now part of the family of coronaviruses that circulate our society – there used to be four, now there are five.
this app is just spyware to monitor where you go – the virus is the excuse to test it out.
Digital privacy is an illusion.
Most of the technology you use on a daily basis, including the device you are reading this post on, can be used to track your activities in one way or another. (Sorry VPN users, even you guys are not totally invisible)
At least this app tracks you for a purpose other than collecting information to make you buy things.
@original mark,
you are missing the point – the current set of laws requires government agencies to obtain a court order to access any data about you that has been recorded and stored by commercial websites or apps. This app, sends your personal location data direct to government servers, which renders the legal requirement to obtain a court order to access cell phone mast location data from the phone companies obsolete, for those that have downloaded the app.
once this “trial ” is complete and its current use “covid” is finished, it will be repurposed, that you can be assured of.
Thank you. Perfectly explained.
Until this is made clear in terms of how it works we need much more information otherwise we are all still in the dark don’t dismiss it but equally don’t say how great it will be we just do not know and please can we not use this forum to rubbish each other’s views and opinions
Sorry, but you are an idiot then. We all need to pull together. There is nothing sinister about this and if it helps get rid of this virus we should all participate if we can.
celia
there is everything sinister about it.
once it is established it will remain long afterwards and be used to spy on the whereabouts of people – do not be so foolish to think it won’t be
what do you think government agencies already do, with data you supply to hmrc, dwp, dvla, this just adds to their ability to spy on you.
gullible sheeple
none given you honestly brighten my day, feel like its a constant battle with stupidity on this island, glad not everyone is giving themselves over willingly to these corporations .
@your all stupid
thanks – it is staggering that people demand their rights, yet willingly hand them over at the drop of a hat to government agencies who are using a virus as an excuse to get a mass surveillance tool tested in a live setting.
no wonder governments get away with what they do.
Benjamin Franklin once said: “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”
i also expect anonymity which is my right –
i do not want your mobile device knowing my details – since when did it become ok for my personal details to be transmitted to an app on your phone – it is my personal data and it stays with me, not on your phone, even if those details are not physically stored on your phone, they are still being transmitted through it.
why do you think anyone cares where/who u r or what your doing other than beating the virus?
Stupid person
ISLANDER bet your a very selfish person go and do one
*you’re
I can’t believe how many people there are that don’t know the difference between your and you’re.
From this report i see 4 problems with this giving a true result
1 – You have to have a smart phone
2 – People have to download the app!
3 – it uses bluetooth so people have to have this turned on!
4 – you have to be in close proximity for 15 mins!
No 5, is you have to trust people to use it properly. Many will lie just to cause mayhem, pretending they have ‘had it’ just to create links to create fear, panic and to skew the data which many find a little ‘Big bruv’ ish.
Doomed to failure imo, as only the meek and those who abide by the rules are going to wish to download it. This will give false skewed date, giving the impression that approaching people ARE safe, when those who have broken distancing rules, who ARE the most dangerous to be near, will not register.
Likely IF anything add to the issues as we trust something we shouldn’t to keep us safe.
The naïve will ‘think’ they are doing something valuable so, let them get on playing a part in a fruitless albeit slightly harmful experiment.
People ‘love’ the feel they are ‘doing something’ useful. Like idiots who used to drive two miles to re cycle a few bottles to save the planet. Did more damage in using the car to do so, BUT it makes them ‘feel good’.
Ignorance is bliss.
And you can carry virus witout knowing we need testing then app my opinion
As always someone makes their feeli gs about this k own and we get the disgusted and critical comments coming out. We have not reached the peak on the island and so any laxing of lock down should not in my opinion happen. Whether we download the app or willy nilly follow our masters is up to the individual and no one has rhe right to criti those who don’t want to. You do what you fel is right. If we were going to follow a track and trace policy it should have started at least a month ago. Stable door and bolting horse comes to mnd. That is my opinion on it. You don’t have to agree and That is your choice that is democracy
that is right freshwater – the right to freedom of choice and I have chosen to retain my right to anonymity and not be tracked as I walk around town by others mobile phones which then send that data to a central database, for government agencies to use at their leisure.
They will use this type of tool to spy on those they do not like, long after this virus crisis has ended, as the app will still be operational
Fair comment Freshwater but, unless everyone uses this, then it is pointless, and will give skewed data and make people ‘feel’ safe adding to, not detracting from it’s intended purpose.
Best bin the idea UNLESS compulsory imo.
You are doing your best to persuade people not to use it to make it pointless. If you do not want to participate that is your choice but please stop trying to force your political views on others. This virus has no politics the whole world is trying its best to see a way forward in fighting this pandemic. As I have said before anyone with the latest technology like smart phones, Alexa, lap tops, participates in all forms of social media, have already given their personal details. CCTV is everywhere so why are you so up in arms about an app that will identify if you have been put at risk whilst going about your business. If track and trace is successful it will help with the lifting of lockdown For gods sake get a grip and give it a try.
so ditzy – you are trying to force your views onto others by say “for gods sake get a grip and give it a try” – somewhat hypocritical of you isn’t – based on your speech in that post of yours.
this actively tracks you as you walk around, lets the state know who you are chatting to in person, indoors and in locations where you would normally be assured of complete anonymity and secrecy – away from the prying eyes of others and the state. – do you not get it.
clearly not and as for political views – this is about the fundamental right to go about your business, without being followed by the state, digitally, even when just walking the street – if you like maoist china, or stalinist russia, then go and live there.
once these things are proven to work, it is only one short step to having them integrated into all phones operating systems, so that you cannot turn it off and then you are tracked everywhere by the state sponsored app, whether you like it or not.
None given, I commend you and your effort to open the minds of the sheep people. Even when you give them facts and logical way of thinking, they just can’t break from their programming by the sheep dog. I find it funny that the sheep think they have a choice in all this, only because the sheep dog allows it at this moment. Free speak in the last 24 hrs has just been destroyed. It seems unless you agree with the sheep dog ,then your banned from fb and YouTube, for having an opinion on a subject. It seems to challenge what they say and report is wrong, and we should all agree with their version, I mean it’s not like they would lie( weapons of mass destruction)
thank you mr justice
it has to be pointed out, the longer term picture here of governments finally getting to grips with social media, the internet and mobile technologies and unleashing their newly created surveillance tools.
people are so blind that they cannot see that the governments around the world are not letting this crisis go to waste to push through draconian new security and tracking measures.
“you are free, because I (the govt), say you are free and I (the govt) define the word free.”
a prisoner is free to do as he/she pleases within the confines of his/her cell using what the government has permitted him/her to have.
“none given” and “furloughed Frank” you just crack me up I don’t believe for one minute you seriously believe what you are saying.
yes I do – as I have presented you with logical facts and you just cannot see the path the government agencies are taking with this.
What you think they will simply roll back the app afterwards – get real, they will develop this further.
Other countries, such as china and korea have electronic curtains in place, which are far more intrusive – this in effect means – if your phone is turned off, or connects with another phone mast (other than the single mast it is associated with near your home), you are contacted by the state health department to ask why. In those countries, the phone companies actively provide the monitoring and the data to the state agencies to ensure compliance.
If you think you can leave your phone at home and go out, they have people employed to physically check on you or you are required to login on your phone and indicate you are at home.
this is already happening – do you not get this incredible erosion of your rights and what may be about to turn up in this country from those countries -wake up ditzy
China is a communist country we are a democratic country I am beginning to think that maybe you are David Icke using a new platform to spout his diatribe.
ditzy
i cannot believe you have said that.
who is david icke.
This isn’t about what system a general populus live under, this is about the state itself asserting control over its citizens. Just because we vote our MP’s in and china appoints their equivalents, doesn’t alter the fact that politicians of all persuasions and countries love big government and want as much control over citizens as possible.
I think you are right Ditzy….kicked off Facebook so found somewhere local.
You seem paranoid about your anonymity. I suggest you get rid of your phone’s, credit cards and computers. Also I wonder why you are so scared. What do you have to hide? I also have to ask myself if you would be so negative if this had been suggested by any party other than the Conservatives. Just a few thoughts.
the old “nothing to hide” line doesn’t work derek
Let’s get this done let’s help the country get back on its feet.
Let’s stop the moaning.
Lets stop being selfish.
No one is asking us to go to war like my parent’s did and bare arms.
It’s just an app, load it up put your phone in your pocket and carry on with your day.
This won’t stop anyone doing what they are already doing to keep them selfs safe.
no chance peter – it is spyware that lets government agencies know where you are and where you have been, by using others data.
Sounds like you have something to hide! In any case they can’t compare the island to the mainland we have a completely different set of geographics . What may or may not work here will be completely different on the mainland especially in cities.
Easing lockdown here will be a bit easier than in cities if higher populations it’s a no brainier.
@smithy – not that old chestnut – something to hide.
what i have is my right to anonymity and i intend to preserve it.
@smithy totally brain dead
Then keep your opinions to yourself
Problem solved
Too late – way too late.
Even excluding obvious things like cctv, ANPR and credit histories you leave a trail of metadata everywhere you go, even if you use a VPN.
Governments and big business spend a lot of time finding ways to harvest, analyse and use that information to their advantage.
The official term used is market research (or spying if a rival organisation or government is doing it)
Unless, of course, you don’t drive, don’t use a phone, don’t go out in public, don’t associate with, or speak to, other people and only use cash or barter.
Every time you log on to the internet you are giving away information to someone, even using your loyalty card in the supermarket gives away something…….as for using Amazon etc the mind boggles.
There are plenty of other applications and systems out there tracking your every move already this is just another in a very long list.
That doesn’t detract from the potential benefits of the app as part of the track and trace toolkit we need to safely end the lockdown.
the lockdown can end without a government tracking app.
So what IF you download the App then get a text alert what are you supposed to do then nobody has said are they going to provide testing facilities where you can go & get tested All this will do is cause panic on the island if you get a text it will cause people more worry have they caught it or not if they want to use us as Guinea pigs then lets see them give the islanders something in return like provide every resident a face mask at least , I for one wont be down loading the app as it stands at the moment till theres a clearer understanding of 1, Exactly what information you will have to provide & 2, What to do if you get an alert saying that you’ve been in close proximity to an infected person. They want us to help them but they have to be more open & completely honest with us, Remember by the time you get the alert its prob going to be too late you’ve already got the virus numbers are on the rise on the island there not dropping They cannot make you down load the app & I bet there is a fair few other people that qont down load it either,
it is flawed from the outset.
You will only get a text if someone has been tested, then this info uploaded into the central database and tracking initiated.
That could be a week later and thus be pointless, as you would already know if you were suffering yourself by then. Having an app does not prevent you from getting a virus and as such is nothing more than a government tool for spying on people – as it will still be working and developed further, long after this virus situation has subsided.
They have already provided a testing facility at St Mary’s Hospital and they will be releasing details in the next couple of days as to how it will work please listen to the updates on your local radio before making your mind up.
still can take a week before you know – someone won’t present for testing unless they are symptomatic and that will be at least 3 to 5 days minimum and then what, you get tested, go home, wait, get another text to say you passed someone on your way home and need to get yet another test – you will be up that test centre every day.
Yes you could test negative in day one then contract it the next day and think you’re ok cos you’ve been tested! How many tests are you able to have!!
Listen to ditzy dotty, this is our chance to all die heroes. We can save the world! Lets just all sacrifice our selves and get the app and go about like normal and they lift the lockdown, -which hardly exists in some places here anyway, never seen so many dog walkers, hope those dogs will still get taken out when all this is over, but yeah, lets all be heroes, we’ll be forgotten about tomorrow but know you died in a good cause,
There was nothing said about about getting the app and going about things “normal”. People will still be expected to abide by the current restrictions so will you get the app and start mingling with everyone? No, I doubt it. I’m going to get the app and carry on as Government advice…..it’s either that or we stay in this limbo until a vaccine is found…..IF a vaccine is found. You have a choice, it isn’t being forced on anyone.
I think you miss the point. If you have unfortunately contracted the virus then this app is to try to limit the number of others that you infect, and others you have been in contact with that might infect. It is not designed to prevent you getting the virus. It is all about limiting the damage any of us do to society in the form of the R number. Lets not be selfish eh?
It’s very controversial.
But where do we start getting this virus under control.
Trust me, we’re all guinea pigs anyway with this disease spreading the way it has.
Not just us here but the rest of the world.
No disrespect to anyone but if we want our lives back to normal we’ve all got to play our part.
I for one don’t want my children and grandchildren living with this disease for years let alone maybe the rest of their lives.
I’m sure none of us want that if we are honest.
We’ve got to get a handle on it and as much as our government and scientists are doing they haven’t got magic wands that they can wave.
It is scary I’m scared not for me but as I’ve said mostly for my family.
You don’t have to take part, your not being forced by anyone but if there are people here who are prepared to then let it happen.
We’re in the vulnerable category, my husband especially.
If your in that category follow the rules and limit your outside activities
Everyone’s been at everyone’s throat since this started. Or it seems like it reading some of the posts.
We’ve got to find a way out of the destruction this disease has caused and will continue to cause if we don’t step up to the plate.
Maybe I will get loads of downward thumbs down for what I have written. I don’t know.
But sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture.
How many more innocent people have got to die and frontline workers just doing their jobs.
Like said if you are in the vulnerable category let’s face it you shouldn’t be out there anyway or at least very minimally.
islander too
this virus is now part of the family of coronaviruses that circulate our society – there were four, now there are five – it isn’t going anywhere.
as time goes by and more are exposed and more obtain immunity,then it will be less and less of an issue – perhaps there will be a vaccine by then, however, it is only time that will decide what happens in the bigger picture.
having an app just allows surveillance by the state – it doesn’t stop you getting a virus or provide any benefit whatsoever, at least not to you.
After reading alot of these negative comments i think your absolutely barking..!!! Oh the goverment is watching you and all that crap and lab rats…hardly gonna kill you by helping the nhs and getting the app, grow the f@@k up everybody..!!!
@witheld
it is the app that is the issue – it is nothing more than a surveillance tool – the virus is the excuse to test it out. This is not for your benefit – it is for the state and its new intrusive measures into peoples lives and eroding their right to anonymity
Get a grip. You’re not forced to use it it’s personal choice so let everyone decide for themselves
@smithy – a personal choice today, a diktat tomorrow.
wake up and smell the coffee will you – your liberty is being eroded and you are happy with this intrusion – can you not see the direction this is going in?
Do you live you have liberty…… How romantic
You are paranoid! If you’re doing nothing wrong what’s the issue? We’re all tracked one way or another
This is absolutely ridiculous. Who got a huge bonus for this pathetic idea. How are you supposed to trust people from using this. This will not work and we will have a 2nd lockdown.
Due for release in the coming weeks, NHSX’s contact-tracing app will be the official way that everyone’s contacts with COVID-19-positive people will be tracked. The app will emit an electronic ID from your phone and receive the IDs of other phones with the app installed. If someone develops the coronavirus, everyone who came into contact with that person (i.e. their app came close enough for their ID to be logged by others) will receive an alert.
Controversially, the NHSX app will beam that contact data back to government-controlled servers. The academics who signed today’s open letter fear that this data stockpile will become “a tool that enables data collection on the population, or on targeted sections of society, for surveillance.”
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/04/29/academics_open_letter_nhs_coronavirus_app/
from the register website re letter..
Due for release in the coming weeks, NHSX’s contact-tracing app will be the official way that everyone’s contacts with COVID-19-positive people will be tracked. The app will emit an electronic ID from your phone and receive the IDs of other phones with the app installed. If someone develops the coronavirus, everyone who came into contact with that person (i.e. their app came close enough for their ID to be logged by others) will receive an alert.
Controversially, the NHSX app will beam that contact data back to government-controlled servers. The academics who signed today’s open letter fear that this data stockpile will become “a tool that enables data collection on the population, or on targeted sections of society, for surveillance.”
from the canary website….
The NHS has opted for a version of the coronavirus (Covid-19) track and trace app that reportedly has in-built security flaws that could seriously impinge upon personal privacy. It’s also understood that the spy agency GCHQ has a hand in its development.
Centralised model
The BBC has reported that the NHS has rejected the Apple-Google coronavirus track and trace app and instead opted for a different, ‘centralised’ model. According to the BBC, one advantage of this model would mean that the app would work whether or not it is active and on-screen. This model means that the matching process is via a computer server.
However, the BBC reports that Apple and Google argue such a model will enable hackers to “use the computer server logs to track specific individuals and identify their social interactions”.
Suz, I expect the main Council will have been very well ‘thanked’ for letting Wight become a leper colony for the world to watch from afar.
Still they may save just enough to provide, once this is over, a grand centeral memorial to all the CV dead, to lay a wreath on, at the annual ‘peak’ death day each year, with a few false croc tears, and a new suit all paid for from ‘expenses’ for the annual occasion.
Turn off Bluetooth before leaving home.
better still don’t turn it on in the first place, ive never used Bluetooth on my phone & I don’t intend to start using it now
make sure you turn off the secondary setting on bluetooth as well – you will see it in the options – it allows bluetooth to let your phone be detectable even when bluetooth is shown as off
Apple and Google do not fully turn off blue tooth when you think it has. Apple and Google can supply an API to allow their app to still use BLE beacons when you think they Bluetooth off.
You are opening yourself up to attack if you leave bluetooth on permanently on your smartphone. Though I agree that this app might be a very useful tool, the government should try to find another way for it to work.
What an absolute waste of time and money!
It is an experiment full stop. The government have no idea what will happen. False positives, bogus reporting, misinformation, Bluetooth issues are all major pitfalls which could have real world consequences. But someone’s got to start, so here we are!
As we are going to be a guinea pig for coronavirus why not use the Island to trial the legalisation of cannabis. That would kill the businesses of many egotistical small time drug dealers.
Ha! You have a good point there!!
I’m a delivery driver and in contact with alot of people everytime I go to work. I will be downloading the app to protect me and my family.
@ryde – it won’t help you or protect you at all.
You are relying on others that you see dowloading this app, you are also relying on the person having dowloaded it, to get tested if they feel ill and then you are relying on the testers to update the system of a positive result, which then initiates a track and trace session – that will likely be at least a week from the point you saw someone and then you will know already if you are not feeling well.
its only benefit is to the state, who then knows where you are, where you have been and who you have been hanging around with.
Lol …… Your mobile phone is tracked permanently just by being on
@captain
that mobile ping data from the masts is only accessible by the mobile phone companies – at present the state have to obtain a court order to access that data – this NHS app, sends your data to the government servers immediately.
This is far more intrusive than the mobile mast data
mobile mast data just has two phone within its scope, whereas this app shows those two phones within 6ft of each other, if they get close enough.
@none given ….. Do you really believe that? Seriously? You have absolutely no idea about government data gathering. Do you seriously believe that one of the best intelligence agencies in the history of the world would need court orders or permission to look at mobile phone data. How do you think they gather intelligence? Listen in on street corners? Electronic monitoring has been going on for years and will always be going on …… Most of what they gather is ignored, and before you ask “well if that’s the case why don’t the police use more of it to get prosecutions ” it’s because it’s not made public that they do it.
The only difference between what China does and what we do is they openly admit they do it, we do it silently.
Why do you think the government had no qualms about allowing Huawei to install their kit …… It’s because they already gather the data for their own us
But don’t worry, I’m sure they have no interest in your data and I’m sure the state will protect you with your view that a court order is needed……. Ironically it’s the very people who would issue such a court order that you are afraid would have your data….. The establishment
No court order required, just a level of authority and a decision that life is in danger. Good enough for you?
no omg, it is not – i expect correct preservation of privacy, anonymity and freedoms to prevail over everything – i am not going
to allow some state sponsored jobsworth to trample over my rights.
Are many of the drivers still not returning the ‘unaccepted by the customer items’ back to store but dropping it off at a friends home to collect in their own private cars, as their own van and home is monitored by Tesco and other supermarkets should they ‘stop’ off there without permission to do so, in some vain attempt to prevent this daily occurrence?
Or have they now got someone reliable checking in the returned items instead of relying on all drivers honesty to do so?
Big money loser for the stores if not.
Thank god someone with a bit of sense stay safe my friend
I am still struggling to believe that some people think this pandemic isn’t happening and that we are in some crazy scam by the government to be controlled! I think living in an island has its drawback because some are still living in the dark ages and are afraid of technology. I agree we should have been asked firstly and given that ,oat of the population are elderly and won’t even have smart phones is another factor to consider! We are already probably being tracked as every time you go on line your past searches flag up shops and websites you’ve recently visited. Being afraid of technology is one thing but being in denial is quite another, especially when lives are at stake. We are clearly in crisis all over the world with a terrible disease that’s killing people. Wake up you medieval idiots get in the real world!
The Government has always been quite clear on its strategy, it wants herd immunity with the number of new cases kept to a level where the NHS isn’t swamped. However that hasn’t taken into account the emerging evidence of long term organ damage done by this virus, so the NHS may yet well be swamped by other problems. Nor is it fully known if survivors can reinfect or be reinfected. We are the lab rats in a nice self contained tank which can be locked down if it goes wrong.
If the app requires 50 – 60% of the population to register how does that compare with % that own a smart phone?
79% of the adults in the uk own a smartphone ..as of 2019
The trial is here on the Isle of Wight, how many Islanders have a smartphone ? Mobile Phone coverage is poor on the Island at the best of times , Many over sixties have no idea what an App is or have a smartphone I have a Blue Tooth do I have to go to the Dentist ?
Just checked it is about 79% in the UK, 16 – 24 year olds 95%, 51% 55 – 64 year olds, so for the more vulnerable older folk it will not be so useful.
I use plenty of Apps for a wide variety of home and work uses and will readily download this one but I rarely use my phone for music or the radio and I transfer images by text or email.
The weakspot is going to be in having the battery draining Bluetooth constantly on!
Only problem I can see is that most of the island population is older and wouldn’t know how to download a app and use it unless they have a teenager around to help also we will have to run around to try to find a wifi signal to sign up
Why do people keep going on about older people not being tech savvy? It’s a myth. There are some obviously but the amount of young people that use Social Media without having a clue is also obvious, it all depends if you have an enquiring mind or not. Look at the number of people that use Amazon/ Alexa and don’t realise the amount of information they are giving away……all age groups.
Trial of Wight
I hope the islanders will continue to isolate our numbers are still going up why out us in jeopardy I think we should be asked about this not told they are asking us to go out so they can see if our deaths go up or not stay home stay safe
This app uses Bluetooth beacons. They transmit a magic number that only the NHS knows about. Your phone creates a list of all the magic numbers you have seen. If one of these then is shown to have covid 19 then your phone will tell you. These magic numbers change as time goes on. It would require some other data tied to you and your movements to unlock this and identify you. And even then it will still require significant effort in data processing. As a software engineer with over 25 years of experience I can assure you your identity is not at risk. As for the app being miss used, yes and some have already described some ways it can. Please search youTube for computerfile video. A channel with leading computer scientists in the UK. They explain it in detail.
fred – your identity is always at risk –
the id numbers are sent to a central database held on government servers – the id numbers contain your details – the government can at its leisure download the data associated with each id code – in other words they know where you have been and who you have been associated with.
At last, a voice of reason in a sea of miss information. Tesco holds me info on you than all the Government agencies if you have a club card.
What makes people think that anyone is interested in them really? Your phone and your car is tracked already, as is your bank card and you can’t stop them …… A Bluetooth app can be turned off.
Unfortunately my phone won’t allow this app so I will use my spare phone and carry it with me
Brilliant ! Lets give it a good go islanders !
Happy to help.
Happy to be tracked as I’ve nothing to hide.
Wish we all had ID cards too
doesn’t matter jill – your tracked info can be used for nefarious purposes if it is deemed fit for purpose.
They may even use it to sell you a new car as they will see your old one isn’t fast enough . Perhaps they will sell it to Tesco when they see you shop at Sainsbury’s. Think of all those gyms that will be contacting you when they see you don’t get enough exercise…….. The uses are endless……… Except that info is already available if they wanted it
Oh I forgot, who are “they”
How do I find someone to stand still for 15 minutes?
Think positive; not a bad way of tracking non-essential travellers from the north island.
We had second home owners arrive in our road this weekend!
I’m an astounded…… On another thread people are demanding to know the ins and outs of every victim, who how where and when …… Now they are offering an app that can provide that level protection people are against it.
It’s ok for people to want the details but not to take part in using the app …….. Big brother is watching, yes and once it’s on your phone you will never be able to get it off and they will be able to track you forever and you will be watched and your movement recorded because the powers that be have nothing better to do than watch you going about your innocent little life …. How fascinating it will be to sit there day in day out spying on you.
captain chaos
this is about state control of citizens and monitoring, long after the virus situation has subsided.
@none given
Don’t forget your foil hat.
If you are that paranoid that you believe what you have just said then I truly feel for you.
Your phone, your internet, your car, your bank card are all permanently tracked.
I guess that’s why you give no name.
“QUICK HIDE!!!! They are watching you
ahh captain
the last vestige of the sheeple – mockery, because I can see through this and you cannot – oh well you hand over your data.
may I remind you that my phone, internet and bank card data cannot be accessed by state agencies without a court order – this app circumvents that process by having the data directly sent to government controlled servers. It is another step towards state agencies bypassing the lawful process of justifying access to your private data, that you have permitted to be given to private enterprises and not state law enforcement agencies.
you are not too sharp on the future applications of this type of tracking app are you.
@none given
Are you really that naive to believe they need a court order ?
Let me tell you a little story: a ver good friend of mine went to prison for breach of the official secrets act when he went on national TV and showed that in the previous year only 7 warrants were issued for covert surveillance on private individuals, but he had proof of the 15 he had personally worked on .
As for my lack of knowledge…….. Again a rather short sighted opinion without Any knowledge. I know more about app use and surveillance then I guess you will ever need to know. You don’t know what I have a need to be on the island or what I do for a living, let’s just say that I HAVE to use a phone that is so secure that it cannot run this app, hence I will have to use a spare
Trust me when I say, I am under no illusions about what a government is capable of behind the scenes and if it wanted to use an app to track your movement you would be the last to know it was doing it. Don’t think that legislation is a barrier, they would have no need to ask you to down load an app. The police do not need a court order to trace your phone by the way
captain chaos
if what you say is true, then you would not have even disclosed any of the information you have, such as extremely secure phone, that it cannot run the app.
stop trying to make yourself out to be some sort of secret agent – laughable and of obvious comedic value.
those that truly and genuinely operate in the sphere of surveillance etc, would not be on a public site, disclosing that fact to complete strangers and for all those not posting to read it – – therefore you are full of it.
my phone is available in a lot of shops, it has software hard installed…. its not a special phone, it just cant be hacked and its security software means it can not use bluetooth in an open manner, only send requests not receive them and it can not handshake via bluetooth even to saved devices.
i am self employee now, as a consultant and have never on this site claimed to be a secret agent. nothing i have said on here would be classed as classified or indeed secret or sensitive, just publicly know facts that you seem blissfully un aware of
yeah right captain – or is that bond.
More like Walt
Sounds to me like this argument needs to end, let’s be completely honest EVERY SINGLE PERSON on this comments thread is entitled to an opinion and is entitled to do what they feel is right end of.
Everyone in the end will do what they feel is right, I have my opinion and no I do not agree with the island being used for trialling an app that requires the lockdown to be eased as there is a massive element of the unknown and it is putting peoples lives at risk.
Noone can say that they are not concerned about that.
The population of the island should have been involved in the decision making, consulted about this etc etc.
everyone is quick to criticise but in the end everyone has there own opinion.
Let’s leave it at that.
Ha ha!
I hope they never release a stupid app …….. If they trialled that on the island it would be overloaded. Never have I encountered so many stupid people in such a small space
Just because someone does not have your opinion does not mean they are stupid.
I am a third generation islander, the bigotry and idiocy that people discuss on these forums is embarrassing. We should all be doing our bit in these times of crisis, you should all be proud to be signing up to such an initiative and leading the way out of this crisis. The doom mongers on here are no doubt those that have made derogatory comments to people living in Sandown, Ryde, the mainland, the old and disabled to name a few.
I suspect those anonymous fools are the ones sat at home not working or contributing whilst blaming others for their woes. Now is your chance to do something positive and good for the nation. Keep your stupid dangerous views to yourselves and do some good for once and register with this app when available, show the country what a great Island community the majority of us are!
@Mark
I take issue with a few points you make..
you say…the bigotry and idiocy that people discuss on these forums is embarrassing. Then you say…I suspect those anonymous fools…
somewhat hypocritical to be adopting the moral high ground,then trash your own position by insulting people – thus losing the argument straightaway.
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you demand that others keep their “stupid dangerous views to themselves” – again insulting peoples right to their view. Perhaps you could explain what you mean by dangerous..
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You are insinuating that those who do not register for this app are bad people – you say…do some good for once and register with this app
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and finally, advising all of you being a third generation islander is an unnecessary piece of information which doesn’t validate or strengthen your views that follow and certainly doesn’t elevate your status at all.
you download your government tracking app if you wish.
I totally agree. Some of the ridiculous things I read on these island forums cracks me up. The county press one is the best.
“If we had a fixed link crime would go up” yes because every criminal I the land is just waiting to pay a fee to drive to you instead of the millions of UK homes they can go to for free……. That’s one of my favorite, oh and the “if we had a fixed link we would get more immigrants ” yes of course, these people who have traveled half way across the world and the English channel are kept at bay by the Solent.
I unfortunately cannot have the app on my phone, but I will fire up my spare phone and carry that one everywhere to use the app.
captain chaos..you say…Never have I encountered so many stupid people in such a small space
like finds like – so I guess this is why you are here then.
I’m here out of need not choice. What’s your excuse :-))
@captain
out of need – so gallant of you.
@none given
Wow! An attempt at dry humour, 10/10 for the effort
As you don’t know my circumstances I may indeed be gallant…….. Or perhaps my need is a greedy self fulfilling one and I’m not so gallant.
but I guess it’s you who jumps to conclusions without any facts, most people at least use some facts to base a conclusion on….. Very clever of you to be able to do that
if your reason for being here was greedy and self fulfilling then you would be here by choice not need.
your reference of being here by need, was more about moral grandstanding.
Now now boys play nicely!
Bitch fest
I’m not insinuating anything ‘none given’. My argument is won by your pathetic attempt at a smart ass comment. Not all islanders are like you, even a third generation islander, that’s my point; I’m sure you have a bigoted view of us being inbred and stupid.
@Mark
your post indicates otherwise.
you are sure i have a bigoted view – you are the one who is referencing inbred and stupid not me. When in a hole, mark, you should stop digging.
Haha, what a loser ‘none given’. What petulance, when you can’t win an argument. Your arguments do nothing but frighten the vulnerable and ill informed. We all should do the right thing, down load the app, save lives of islanders and the rest of the country.What do you have to hide ‘none given’? The government looking for you?
Captain Chaos, I like your style.
@captain – it takes one to know one.
because you cannot cobble together a coherent and intelligent reply – you resort to insults and derision – oh well, never mind – you will see soon enough, as all these things come to pass.
no, its need as my market place dictates i live in certain areas for work
Well said Mark. None given needs to get off this forum. He’s poison.
as do you smithy, as do you
Ha, had you all fooled.
None given, that captain is so typical, why would they watch little me! Cant see to the end of his nose. SOCIAL CREDIT!! Can not shout it any louder. These people really haven’t a clue what’s coming to them,to us all. Research ,then when you have the facts and figures, then make your judgement
@mr justice
yes quite correct.
why would they watch little me – because they want to and because they can control you.
Social credit – it will have a different name here I am sure, with a couple of tweeks, but it will be the same thing
lets have a go….
mobile phone app installed on phones – tick
population agree to it – tick
mobile phone tracking – 18,000 people employed as tracking agents for covid, now repurposed for their new roles – tick
no paper currency only digital – tick
someone protests against the government – arrested – access to digital cash shut off and mobile phone tracked to ensure
compliance with curfew – replaces the ankle tag – one of the 18000 tracking employees assigned to monitor.
financial fine applied and deducted from digital account even though it is blocked.
social status – downgraded to undesirable and controlled to within a few meters of the home using the mobile tracking app, that alerts the government agency if the phone connects to another tower, other than the one closest to the home or the phone is switched off. Requirement to log in to app to validate location as at home.
as sad as it seems Mr Justice – we will be proven correct in the years ahead – just a shame others cannot seem to see it.
and the worst of it is, it will be happily accepted by the populus as in their interests and they will eat it all up, like good little drones.
@none given
So the people who you think will do this are the very people who would need to grant a court order (in your opinion) to access this information at the moment? Lololololol
“Compliance with curfew…… Replaces the ankle tag” , great idea because no one would be smart enough to just Leave their phone at home or throw it away and get a new one …….. Remember you said they won’t be able to know they have done that as they would need a court order to get that data
If they wanted to do any of your idiotic ideas it would be in your operating system already, not in an app that they ask you to down load …… It is already there!
sadly captain you still do not get it and if you were in the business you claim to be, you would fully understand the way in which this will work and covers off on the points you make.
leaving the phone at home – if you read my post… agencies will require you to log in to the app to validate the fact that you are at home – with the phones camera included – the phone is tracked against the nearest phone mast to the home address – if you go out with it on, it connects to another mast as you move about and indicates that you have gone out – if you switch the phone off, it cannot check itself in with the server every few minutes and alerts the agency responsible.
if you go out and leave the phone at home – you will not be able to check in, using the camera to the employee of the agency, to validate that you are still at home – check in would be frequent between hours stipulated.
One country already puts a sensor on the outside of the front door of persons home that alerts an agency, if the door is opened when they want that individual to stay in doors.
as you see these as idiotic – then you will be unaware of the fact that this is already happening in other countries – perhaps you should check for yourself.
just because something isn’t happening in the UK today, doesn’t mean it won’t be soon. Trouble is, people like you think you know everything, whereas in fact you just do not see it coming.
Correct again none given. Just type social credit into google and you will see it’s the system they have in china .oh,buts thats china,I hear you say ,never happen hear! Really? Now China has a seat on the UN human rights council, what this space.
Here, sorry bad grammar
thanks mr justice
Britain has more cctv cameras per person than anywhere on the planet except china – those that think the digital system of control won’t be creeping in to the UK are sleepwalking into it.
You my friend know it and I know it, but the masses,im afraid think the government cares about them. So we are all done for, but as I’ve said before, it’s better to die for something,then live for nothing! Just think for a moment everyone,think how much freedom our parents had(I’m 56) and our grand parents. How little our children and grand children will have . Nothing else worth staying. Bye none given. I’m done.
Well have to say I would rather be part of the solution than part of the problem and being part of the app test is fine by me, I will download it as soon as it becomes available
So, as an individual who believes I had the virus in January, and took weeks to recover, if I received a ping from this app that I have to continue to self isolate, I’d be obliged to do so? Given that I’ve never had access to the right to be tested for antibodies?
Nothing new.
You can be tracked by your cell phone connection anywhere at any time.
That has always been the case.
The police & other agentys have access to the data . And gave used it in several instances.
This is voluntary. And will use Bluetooth., not the Cellnet.
So what have you got to hide ?
Great news, sign me up, let’s lead the UK out of this!
@none given
What you seem to fail to see is when the prevention of terrorism act was replace by the terrorism act in 2000 that gave the police such powers that some (like 44) were deemed unlawful by the European courts of human rights, but they stayed. Until that was replaced in 2008 by the counter terrorism act when even more power was given to gather and retain or remove information both physical and electronic .
Some of this act is not for public view ….. That’s a fact that they don’t tell you
Captain chaos, can you advise on the level of risk from leaving Bluetooth open on ones phone constantly. I am more worried about being hacked than being tracked. Would I be better to use an old phone wiped to factory condition with just the NHS app on it?
And just imagine……. If this app was as scary and powerful as some seem to think (replace the ankle tag has to be voted post of the decade) then that would be the end of terrorism, as by some people suggested use it will become a dictate so everyone will have it ….. Unless they leave their phone at home
Mockery again captain shows your lack of understanding of the processes involved to make use of todays tech, to replace yesterdays techniques.
it is simple enough – you will understand sooner or later.
@none given
your so funny…….. i make tech, not just use it. i have a masters in electro-mechanical engineering , and a degree in electronics. i am a government approved tech advisor, my specialism is internet security hard and software…… Her Majesties government is a valued client of mine and was my employer…… think im better placed than you to obtain the latest info
i take that back, my apologies
Someone using the same name as me- I have not taken anything back or apologised for anything.
Reading some of these negative comments on here and name calling like sheep etc is really getting bloody childish from the few that want you to see it their way, in other words bullying. I dont do bullying myself so they can do one. As far as i am concerned we all have a voice and an opinion so stop the name calling and the slagging off of people that dont see it in a bullys eyes. Mkae your choice everyone and stay safe.
I believe they want to know your identity, where you are and all your personal information. I believe they want to test you, so they know where you are, for tracing and from tracing, when the vaccine comes out, they may require manatorian vaccine. I do not like this at all,not for me!!!!
If I download it I shall put in false info. The larger picture is too worrying to do as we are asked, for an app will not prevent us catching this, nor help us breath if we are stricken. So, I will do nothing to aid Government spying risks for the future control of the masses.
Others with less IQ may do as they please of course.
they said today, that users of the app can alert the system if they get symptoms and it will generate the alerts to phones that were close by, when the person was waking past or in contact with them.
so, how many will hit that button, pretending to have symptoms which will generate false alerts – especially if it is a pay as you go phone.
this app and its processes are too weak to work well
think captain chaos is right, we are all being watched anyway so please everyone get the app
someone using the same name as me eh.. captain – not too obvious is it.
Just by having a phone they know who you are, unless you pay cash to get credit on your phone
As all the drug dealers, and growers here do. Ah, Ryde teacher!
When I make a call, do I press button A or button B when they don’t answer.I don’t want to lose my 4 old pence.
Again a few ruining it for the many.
Playground politics
As long as we don’t start allowing any visitors back to the island there’s enough here already in their little lock down houses i know that for sure and who tested them when they scuttled here
Yes got some in our road now